Steve Jobs Blogs On Why He Hates Flash, But Can’t Get His Facts Straight

Added 4/30: Since I published this, I have gotten more than one email sent to me threatening me with bodily harm for writing this post. In fact, quite a few. So if you are reading my post, or any other post on this topic and then feel the need to want to hurt someone, I would suggest you stay calm, relax and then go about the rest of your day. This topic is not worth anyone getting that upset over it.

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Clearly Apple must be feeling some pressure from the large group of consumers who are tired of not being able to get Flash content, specifically video, on Apple’s iPad and iPhones because Steve Jobs just posted an article on Apple’s website entitled “Thoughts On Flash”.

Steve starts off by saying that, “Adobe has characterized our decision as being primarily business driven“, which is correct, but of course Steve says that, “in reality it is based on technology issues“. While Steve spends some time to talk about what an “open” environment really means, and rants about how Flash is not open, he also then says that “the operating system for the iPhone, iPod and iPad is proprietary“. So on one hand he calls Flash out for not being open, then rightly states that neither is Apple when it comes to their OS, but also then says that in fact, Apple is the one that has an open system, not Adobe. Make up your mind Steve, do you think Apple is open or closed? The reality is both companies have proprietary systems.

Of all the things that Steve says in his article, he’s flat out wrong when it comes to his description of the “full web” experience and he should be ashamed to try to think he can fool us. Steve says that, “Adobe has repeatedly said that Apple mobile devices cannot access “the full web” because 75% of video on the web is in Flash. What they don’t say is that almost all this video is also available in a more modern format, H.264, and viewable on iPhones, iPods and iPads.” Steve also says that, “iPhone, iPod and iPad users aren’t missing much video.”

This comment by Steve is simply a lie, which is not my opinion, but a fact. Anyone who uses an iPad can’t get video from the websites of NFL.com, MLB.com, Petfinder.org, Amazon.com and many other really popular websites. So to say that users aren’t missing much video and that almost all of this video is also available in H.264, is wrong and you can’t argue with it. I guess Steve does not feel that the NFL and MLB sports leagues command that big of an audience. Use an iPad, go to those sites and see all the video you can’t get. Does Steve think we don’t notice that? Of course, he also goes on to list all of the websites that have video that works on the iPad, but as I pointed out weeks ago, many of those sites only have a limited amount of their video that works. Is that his idea of a “full web” experience, seeing only a portion of the content on a website?

Steve ends his post by saying that, “Flash was created during the PC era – for PCs and mice.” Well I hate to tell you this Steve, but it’s still the PC era. For all the growth of the mobile space in the U.S., how much of that content consumed on a mobile device is video? Very little. No one is getting rid of their PCs because they have a mobile device, the PC is not going anywhere and the volume of content that is delivered to PCs will always surpass what will be delivered to mobile. Apple’s iPhone and iPad’s are not going to replace the PC experience, ever.

If Apple does not want to support Flash, that’s their right. But for
Steve to think we’re all dumb and that he can tell us something works,
when we clearly see it doesn’t, that’s simply an insult to consumers.
And for him to say that this is not about business, but rather a
technology issue, his actions prove otherwise.

Apple knows that a lot of the ads on the web are delivered in Flash.
So Apple clearly wants to divert some of those dollars over to Apple by
having a platform that forces you to take webpages and convert them into
micro apps making it impossible for the content creator to load any
kind of ads. Then you launch your own proprietary mobile ad platform
iAds and you make money by taking a small percentage of every ad
impression on your closed platform. Steve needs to stop trying to make this into
a “technology” issue when this is all about money. If you came out and
said you’re not supporting Flash because you can make more money without
it, fine by me, I won’t argue with that. But to try and disguise it as something else, that only
makes Apple look bad, not Adobe.

  • http://profile.typepad.com/jbusteed john busteed

    Actually what Steve Jobs said was that the Mac OS was proprietary but that Safari was open built on Webkit was open-source. I think you are misinterpreting the facts here. Also, I am watching MLB.com video on the iPad so I am not sure what you are saying there. Maybe I am misinterpreting what assertion you are trying to make.

  • Mostly Correct

    Steve’s comments are largely correct. H.264 video that is played back in the Flash Runtime can also be played back externally on devices such as the iPhone/iPad.

  • http://www.BusinessOfVideo.com Dan Rayburn

    I said, “Anyone who uses an iPad can’t get video from the websites of NFL.com, MLB.com…” go to the MLB.com website on your iPad. Can you get video? No. You have to go and pay to download an app. I have no option but to pay to get it. I should be able to get highlights in the browser, or have the option to pay to get a better experience via the app. Point us, Apple keeps the user from having any choice.

  • Kelly Denison

    Check your facts before you call somebody a liar on the webs, dude.
    If you have the MLB app for ipad you can watch video.
    Petfinder.com’s Mobile Application does not play videos but works just like the website.
    I guarantee you both Amazon and NFL will come out with apps for the ipad in the near future. It’s easy money for them.
    If you own a mac, then you know how bad Adobe has been over the years, forcing updates, breaking functionality and don’t even get me started on Adobe reader.
    You want open source?, get a chumby.

  • ron

    “Clearly Apple must be feeling some pressure from the large group of consumers who are tired of not being able to get Flash content — specifically, video — on Apple’s iPad and iPhones, because Steve Jobs just posted an article on Apple’s website entitled ‘Thoughts On Flash,’” Dan Rayburn, executive vice president at StreamingMedia.com and principal analyst at Frost & Sullivan, blogs for StreamingMedia.com.
    MacDailyNews Take: Clearly? In whose loaded opinion it is clear, Dan? Here’s something about which Dan probably hasn’t heard: It’s called a “fact.” Only 9.3% of iPhone and iPod touch users have attempted to download Adobe Flash (2/11/2010). “Clearly,” Dan’s slanted setup’s just been blown up.
    Rayburn continues, “Steve starts off by saying that, ‘Adobe has characterized our decision as being primarily business driven,’ which is correct, but of course Steve says that, ‘in reality it is based on technology issues.’ While Steve spends some time to talk about what an ‘open’ environment really means, and rants about how Flash is not open, he also then says that ‘the operating system for the iPhone, iPod and iPad is proprietary.’ So on one hand he calls Flash out for not being open, then rightly states that neither is Apple when it comes to their OS, but also then says that in fact, Apple is the one that has an open system, not Adobe. Make up your mind Steve, do you think Apple is open or closed?”
    MacDailyNews Take: “Clearly,” the liar here is Dan Rayburn, not Steve Jobs – unless Dan has major reading comprehension issues, which, after reading that paragraph, is quite possibly the case.

  • http://www.BusinessOfVideo.com Dan Rayburn

    @Kelly, you need to read what I wrote, not what you “think” I wrote.
    I can play Petfinder videos on the web, but you say they don’t work with the mobile app. Yet then you say it works “just like their website”. How does the mobile app work “just like their website” if the videos don’t work. You make no sense.

  • Jerry H

    You’re definitely misrepresenting the facts. Safari uses the Webkit standard, and although it was originally developed by Apple, it is open source and used by a number of different browsers, including Apple’s number 1 rival: Google. Anyone can write code for Webkit and have it render correctly on any browser that supports MODERN standards. It’s not Apple’s fault that third party companies are reliant on an antiquated and substandard closed “standard.” Also, if you haven’t noticed – the Personal Computing paradigm is shifting towards a primarily touch interface. As Steve eluded, Adobe hasn’t taken this into account and is still peddling the same garbage they’ve been selling for the past decade.
    Finally – Let’s see some evidence that Flash can actually even run on a mobile device before you go berating Apple. It’s 2 years behind schedule! I guess you’re suggesting Apple should have left the iPhone OS in the oven until Adobe gets their act together.

  • Kelly Denison

    In preparation of receiving my ipad, I’ve been running “Clicktoflash” on my desktop. It grey boxes any flash script on a page and you can click it if you want to open it, just to see how much I would miss flash-
    It made my websurfing so much better and faster because there aren’t any annoying pop-ups, float-overs, congratulations for winning an ipod, or bouncing ads.
    I won’t miss flash one bit.

  • Mostly Correct

    Dan, not quite sure if the facts all align here. “Flash” is not a “format” per se, but rather there is the Flash Runtime and then the codec/wrapper combinations supported in the Flash Runtime. Most recent content has been encoded in either h.264/aac or On2VP6/MP3 from a video/audio codec perspective, and has been wrapped in either an FLV or MP4 container.
    All of that technical jargon aside, if content owners have encoded content in h.264/aac in an MP4 container (for PLAYBACK in the Flash runtime), then there is NO COST to playing this content back on the iPad using progressive download HTTP as the delivery mechanism (and a native app or HTML5 as the presentation layer).
    If content owners had encoded content as h.264/acc but had put it in an FLV wrapper instead of MP4, then they would simply need to re-mux/re-wrap the content (MUCH faster than re-encode and no video quality changes).
    If the content owners have encoded content using proprietary codecs and wrappers that only the Flash runtime can play back like On2VP6 (codec) and FLV (wrapper), then yes, there would be a conversion cost. But this would be expected, as the content provider had chosen to use a format that is only recognized/supported in Flash (same as choosing any other proprietary format).
    For content owners looking to use Apple’s Adaptive HTTP spec, if they had already created the necessary different bitrate versions in h.264/aac in MP4 format, then they could use Apple’s “free” (to iDevice developers @$99) segmenting tool.

  • Charles Silverman

    Steve does an excellent job characterizing Flash’s performance and shortcomings on the Mac. It’s worth adding that Flash can be problematic for blind users who rely on screen readers.

  • necniv

    My name is Dan and I don’t like what Mr. Jobs said. “Waaaah.”
    He’s a liar and he made me cry. Isn’t he a jerk?
    Oh, I didn’t know that MLB has a bitchin’ daily video podcast that has highlights and they have a paid app for iphone as well. I don’t think NFL will do that next season though. That would be dumb to reach out to the 100 million (and growing) peeps in the iUniverse.
    Okay, so maybe I’m the one who’s being a little disingenuous.
    Although I know for a fact that when Flash 10.1 for mobile does ship later this year, right, it’s this year?, it will be awesome. Trust me.

  • http://www.smoothstreamingserver.com enrico kern

    the truth is that an ipod or iphone doesnt even play all h264 videos. iphone as example only supports baseline profile.

  • Kelly Denison

    @Dan -Actually I do make sense- the app works just like the website but you can’t play videos.
    What don’t you understand? Not being able to use flash makes the ipad BETTER.

  • http://www.BusinessOfVideo.com Dan Rayburn

    @Kelly: It works just like the website, but you CAN’T play videos?!? So how then is that “like the website”? It’s not. If as a consumer you don’t want to get a lot of videos on your iPad, and you think that makes it the iPad better, then you’re probably not the average web consumer.

  • Kelly Denison

    @Dan Me and 500,000 people who have purchased one in the first 3 weeks of release.

  • Stephen

    I do not know if flame-bait is why your wrote this or a bias against Apple. Facts were quite straight from where I sit. It is quite simple really. If you are a website owner (I am, own several) you want to reach as many visitors as possible. So following web standards is the best way to do that. Trying to force visitors to use a proprietary plugin is stupid and no longer needed. It is also a task not worth pursuing. This would be like HomeDepot forcing their customers to ONLY pay with a certain credit card and no other payment method!
    As always the marketplace will decide and so far it is deciding in huge numbers that Flash does not matter when it comes to the iPhone, iPad and iPod touch as they outsell all their competition.
    Whats more is most of the major websites have already converted their video and/or created an app for Apple devices.
    The real point made in Steve Jobs essay is
    “We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it. Adobe publicly said that Flash would ship on a smartphone in early 2009, then the second half of 2009, then the first half of 2010, and now they say the second half of 2010. We think it will eventually ship, but we’re glad we didn’t hold our breath. Who knows how it will perform?”
    So Adobe Steve Jobs is telling you PUT UP OR SHUT UP!
    With all the money Adobe spent buying Macromedia they simply have not done much to improve Flash and it is quite clear going forward the web has moved on with better and more open solutions.

  • Jerry H

    I’m interested to know why you’re only replying to comments of people who make poor choice of their words, but have yet to reply to a credible and relevant rebuttal. Looks like you’re just here posting this junk to get page views. Hello $$$, Goodbye credibility.

  • david

    “And for him to say that this is not about business, but rather a technology issue, his actions prove otherwise.”
    Please tell me where Flash currently works, in a desktop state, on any mobile platform? I’ll help you and say none is the right answer. He said for Adobe to show them a working version of Flash and they haven’t so far, yet you blame him citing only your opinion. If you’re going to make that charge you should at least have some proof that there is not a technological problem with Flash on mobile platforms.
    Engadget’s Review of the JooJoo and Flash and I suggest you watch the video:
    http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/05/fusion-garage-joojoo-review/
    From Engadget:
    “First, it causes the entire tablet to get quite warm (especially when playing Flash video) and then it murders its battery life. The JooJoo’s integrated three-cell battery repeatedly lasted 2.5 hours (just as we predicted!) during our moderate use, which included surfing the Web and playing short videos. JooJoo claims you can get 5 hours if you avoid Flash entirely, but that sort of defeats the purpose, right?”
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    “The reality is both companies have proprietary systems.”
    That is a half-truth because you conveniently neglected the other truth: That Apple’s proprietary offering is it’s platform and Adobe’s proprietary offering affects all content across the web. It is not as simplistic as you make it out to be and it seems like you’re making this point to win an argument.
    Oh you’re right that a lot of content is still in Flash but Jobs’ intent is to end that. Many sites are moving away from Flash and it will increasingly happen once IE9 is released supporting HTML5.
    Through all of this you neglected to say if Flash is what’s best for the web and this is where the problem lies. You can flame Jobs all you want but at the end of the day he is right; the web is better off without it and it’s best to move on. It was only Jobs who had the guts in the industry to directly confront the issue.

  • AtlantaX

    You’re clearly a hit-whore ass clown. I’m pissed that I even clicked on this page and gave you a hit to count when hocking ads on your site. You clearly have a personal beef with Apple and Jobs so you’ve bent the facts to support your rather lame article – and you didn’t even do a very good job. OK – i’ve wasted enough time on your nonsense. Thanks for reminding me once again the difference between a journalist and a blogger. Hack.

  • http://thaylin.com/blog Thaylin

    To all the people speaking about how wonderful the iPad is because you can view any of your favorite websites just fine if you pay for their app, think about that. If EVERY website created an app just because it wanted to work good in the iPad would you pay money for every website you wanted to visit? The whole premise of the internet is worldwide knowledge a the tip of your finger, FREE.
    Why would I want a device that forces me to buy an app to watch something that I can just view on my computer for free? Maybe there’s an app you can buy to figure out how ridiculous this premise is?

  • HCE

    I think Steve Jobs specifically said that **web standards** should be open. It think a good case can be made why it matters if something like web standards are open and it doesn’t matter if operating systems are proprietary.
    I am a user of both Mac as well as Linux systems Frankly, it does not matter much to me that OS X is proprietary and that Linux is open source. Even though I am a techie, I have never felt the need to tinker with the internals of either OS. All that matters to me is how well the operating systems work and I don’t think I am disadvantaged in any way by OS X being proprietary. It is in Apple’s interest to make the system work as well as possible – otherwise they know that they will lose customers.
    When it comes to web standards open is better for a very obvious reason. Take something like HTML5. It is an open specification. There is no one canonical implementation of the standard. Each vendor implements it independently in his own products and it is in that vendor’s interest to make his implementation as good as possible. If HTML5 on the Mac sucks, then Apple have no one to blame for it but themselves.
    Contrast that with Flash. The only company that can implement a Flash player is Adobe. It is not in their interest to optimize their player on every platform. From a purely business point of view, it makes sense for them to focus on their big selling platforms and devote scant resources to the others. And this is precisely what has happened. Flash player runs well on Windows but on the Mac (and Linux) it has been pretty poor – and people end up blaming Apple (or the Linux distribution) for something they had no control over.
    Things might have changed now – in Apple’s case, at least. Apple is important enough now that Adobe is willing to devote a large amount of resources to improving Flash performance on their products. However, the problem still exists – if for some reason, Apple became less attractive to Adobe, then they would once again devote minimal resources to Flash on the Mac.
    That is not a position that any company wants to be in. Neither do I (as a user of OS X and Linux) want to be at the mercy of Adobe’s whims.
    - HCE
    - HCE

  • Brett

    I completely agree with the blog post, I find it thorough, well-thought-out and objective. This isn’t the first time Apple users have let loyalty blur their critical thinking.
    Great Post, Dan. Thank you for expressing what many, many others are thinking.

  • elder norm

    Dan, like Apple or not, thats fine. But when you go out so far on a limb to write against something, you should know that there seems to be a growing bunch of people that actually use and like Apple.
    Telling them misleading “facts” tends to make them vocal. Note the comments here.
    “So on one hand he calls Flash out for not being open, then rightly states that neither is Apple when it comes to their OS, but also then says that in fact, Apple is the one that has an open system, not Adobe. ” Mis-stated. Apple is closed, it uses open system things like html5, etc.
    Just a thought here, but I have noticed more and more of these anti-apple blogers being brought to task by commenters.
    en

  • J. Hall

    I start to wonder if Dan is just confused or if this is a genuine sighting of an ID10T error.

  • zem

    Hey,
    I think your article in spot on. I agree whole heartedly. Ignore the fanboys – they are just pissed off that they cant play around with audiotool, aviary and all the augmented reality. Flash is here to stay until html can catch up to the multimedia capabilities. Webcam anyone? _z

  • triggercat

    “hit-whore ass clown”
    Brilliant! I’m still laughing! That made my day!
    As for me, I haven’t missed Flash on my iPhone or my new iPad. Everything I want to see works just fine sans Flash. Now that I think of it, I’ve kind of given up on Adobe products after they started treating Mac users like 2nd class citizens (hello? Photoshop?)
    Adobe and this “hit-whore ass clown” (Ha! Gawd, that’s funny!) are just pissed because they bet on the wrong horse!

  • David

    It seems to me that more and more of these one-sided and clearly biased bloggers are getting called out for trying to defend clearly indefensible positions. They think they will see a small amount of money from taking a particular stance; the reality is that their credibility is gone forever.
    Mr. Rayburn – why try to trash Apple who is promoting truly open standards? HTML 5, etc. are cross platform and completely open. Flash is (sort of) cross platform and proprietary. HTML5, etc. work on the mobile platform as well as the laptop/desktop platform. Flash does not. Now how much common sense do you need to work out which one is better??

  • TFlint

    Dan Rayburn is lying.

  • http://onezerothrice.com Blake

    Love to see the fanboys come out when anyone questions the DEAR LEADER. If you’re too thick to realize that Apple’s decision is purely about keeping interactive content on iDevices tightly controlled and monetized, then stop commenting on “web standards,” go back to your digital consumption, and let the digital producers do the talking.
    There are so many holes in Apple’s “reasoning” for not allowing Flash that it’s obviously a diversion from the real reason. If their reasons were at all benevolent, like supporting open standards, then there would be no need for such tactics.
    I now block Mobile Safari from my blog. Some people say it’s a poor marketing decision, but unlike Apple, I don’t always think with my wallet and speak out the side of my mouth.

  • http://www.amid.com/werd Rudy

    I’m not an Apple fanboy, but I do have an iPhone (and love it)! The lack of Flash does irk me because I can’t watch Hulu on it. But, on Apple’s defense, iPhone users have the option to get the app, if available. As you pointed out, it’s not exactly the same experience as the web, but at least there’s a way out.
    Oh by the way, on mobile, it makes more sense to use an app anyway. Less time being spent downloading the look & feel. Get right into the data. Save bandwidth.

  • Ansel

    Bottom line is Adobe has had years to present a mobile flash player that works and does not suck battery juice and Adobe has not …..
    Perhaps Adobe needs to realize there is a huge market in the mobile world and they either play or watch from the sidelines …..
    At this point, with Apple posting the letter, there is not going to be any Flash so whoever or whatever wants Flash ain’t, brothers and sisters, going to get the darn thing ….
    Also with respect to MBL.com …. I never went to the site on my “PC” but with the iPad I ponied up the $10 and got the darn thing … It is totally assume to watch highlights and the game – without the iPad no traffic from me at MBL ….
    Final words ….. All my family members and the 25+ people I’ve showed the iPad to all say they love it … Apple has a huge jump start – just like with iPhone – and there will be html5 web more and more – if you are a developer you are silly to miss the billion customers Apple will have one day ….

  • Cybertuna

    I, for one, am glad that Apple has decided to put a nail in the coffin of Flash. I have hated Flash for as long as it has existed, even before I became an Apple fan. It’s a CPU hogging, crashy platform, and both it and Microsoft’s Silverlight are blemishes on the face of the internet. Apple has made the right decision both for their own bottom line (as they have invested heavily in OPEN standards like HTML5) and for the rest of us. For the Flash-lovers out there who (rightly) say that HTML5 can’t do everything that Flash can, well, that’s true, but HTML5 is only NOW hitting its stride. Give it a couple years (maybe 5) and I predict that the world will be almost entirely Flash-free, and honestly I can’t see myself looking back.

  • Igroucho

    Of course zem, very intelligent post. Go now and play with your augmented reality on your joojoo tablet but keep it plugged to the wall.
    Flash for mobile devices is just not going to happen and the reasons are many – the problem with people is that today they just cannot take the time to read a text stretching over more than 2 paragraphs. Jobs open letter was sparked from badmouthing adobe representatives, in a lingo like you never heard before: “screw you Apple” together w pure lying. I really think Jobs is making a lot of sense and using a decent tone too. Its not about being fanboi this or that but if you dont use mac you dont know all the agony pertaining to flash and how long this has been going on w/o adobe doing anything to correct the issues. They know have to deal with the dragon seeds and it sux for them.

  • Mrmac

    Apple lovers give the guy a break he is correct. Steve is about control and if he can’t control something he will find it no good and has to go. He will make up anything to get his way and your support without question is furthering his ability to control and do as he wants. Step back and take a look, stop saying his control is needed. He has become the evil e-king or is it i-King.
    This goes back year to when Adobe started to make PC compatible software not just Apple. Steve was in shock and now he is strong enough to get back and boy does he like to get back.

  • http://www.channelarchitects.com Mark Hayes

    Hi Dan, Wow you really created a firestorm here. I am singed just reading all of this. I read the article with care and expressed my opinion today on my site as well. Having worked for Jobs at NeXT Computer and having later been a huge Flash fan pushing FMS licenses at Macromedia, I think I see both sides of the story. Did Steve stretch the facts somewhat? Absolutely! That’s what we ex-NeXTers refer to as the “reality distortion field”. However, fact-checks aside, he made a great number of coherent arguments as to why iPad, iPhone were not going to support Flash. They ALL made sense to me. In particular the fact that the mobile web has moved to HTML5 and that these devices need to leverage H.264 decoding in hardware, a software based plug-in was not going to cut it. Is it backwards compatible? No. Does it encourage a technology shift(I won’t you the overused “P” word here)? Yes. Will it be painful? A little, yes. Is it the right thing for Apple to do? Absolutely! 5 years ago you might have been asking why iPod went with AAC as opposed to MP3. Is anyone asking that question now? Hardly.

  • Speaker to Wolves

    >>I should be able to get highlights in the browser, or have the option to pay to get a better experience via the app. Point us, Apple keeps the user from having any choice.<<
    Nonsense. MLB could post H.264 video on their website and you could access it in your browser and on your iPad. The fact that the MLB chooses to put up Flash content, which requires you to download Adobe’s plugin, isn’t Apple’s fault. Take it up with the MLB.
    Oh, and technically, when you use the MLB app on the iPad, you are getting video off the website. Where do you think they store it? Some magic, iPad-only server?

  • Michael N

    Wow…flame bait. Bottom Line.
    Currently, flash is ubiquitous on the internet. There is no arguing about that. Flash is NOT a video playing platform, it is an interactive media playing platform. Which is one of the main reasons why Jobs’ rants don’t reflect reality. Most of the video players have built in interactive features (not least the ability to incorporate Ad playing in the video player).
    But besides that are the thousands of sites that use Flash for interactive media. Go to any blockbuster movie site and you will find an interactive website with more than just video. You can’t do that now in HTML5, so what do you do with those sites? On a daily basis I visit (and ENJOY) sites that use Flash for interactive media. From automobile sites that allow you to configure your dream car to interactive tours on University campuses to Nickolodean video games for my son, flash is the defacto standard on the web for those type of sites. Not an app that only runs on one company’s device, but the web.
    Lastly, I am a computer engineer who develops HTML/CSS/Javascript standard websites as well as developing Flash applications. Lately I have been making most of my money from clients who ask for custom video conferencing apps for live audio/video streaming. That ain’t happening with HTML5 for a while.
    Flash isn’t going away or dying. As HTML5 matures will more sites use HTML5/CSS3 for media? Absolutely, as it should be. Someday will HTML/CSS/Javascript allow developers to realize interactive applications that Flash excels in now. Hopefully. But all the wishing in the world (or posts by Steve) isn’t going to stop my clients from asking for websites that give their customers the best interactive experience they can have (and for certain interactions such as video conferencing, the only way) I will continue to happily develop with Flash.

  • Matthew Quinn

    For content owners Apple’s attitude over flash video is a roadblock, the amount of development, investment and research to have to get this working on yet another platform is often prohibitive.
    I’ve only just stopped encoding all 3 (Real, Windows and Flash), we finally get to a point where one format just works for everyone then we have to start all over again.
    The new OS for iPhone and iPad with multitasking and the announcement made earlier in the week about the Adobe being given access to the Mac OS for better performing flash may be a small step along the way to reaching the best outcome for everyone. Flash on the iPhone/Pad.

  • st1

    Flash is gay.

  • http://www.oreillynet.com/pub/au/2044 Brian Lesser

    Steve Jobs writes:
    “We have routinely asked Adobe to show us Flash performing well on a mobile device, any mobile device, for a few years now. We have never seen it.”
    Whatever else Steve Jobs got wrong in his post this is what consumers will start to decide later this year and next. So, the whole Apple vs. Adobe debate is Adobe’s to win or lose. If the 10.1 player works well enough to satisfy almost all users then Adobe wins. If it doesn’t then they can try again with 10.2, but they will have lost the initial argument.

  • j_boston

    The biggest problem with Flash on a mobile device is the drag on the battery. Flash is FAT and inefficient. You can not blame Apple (or Steve) for wanting their mobile device to have decent battery life.
    HTML 5 promises the delivery of Flash-like content efficiently. I support the move away from this OLD platform.
    One more comment regarding the statement: “No one is getting rid of their PCs because they have a mobile device…” This is a bit short sighted. You may be right in the short term, but this WILL change.

  • The Digital Hobo

    You Apple fan boys are ridiculous.
    From Bloomberg: Flash is installed on about 98% of PCs connected to the Internet, according to Adobe. Flash also runs on more than 800 million mobile phones, manufactured by 19 of the top 20 handset makers—all except Apple.
    So 800 million people are wrong. 19 of 20 device makers are wrong. If thats not a fanboy argument, I dont know what is.
    If anyone is flame baiting, its Jobs. Should Flash run better on mobile devices? Yes it should. Will it? Of course it will. Creating a media storm is just a PR move aimed at damaging a frienemy who wasn’t giving in to the Messiah’s every whim.

  • Rob L

    I think it is safe to say that Dan Rayburn is in fact Trolling.

  • Alan

    I’m writing this on a G5, if I look to my left I see another G5 and a Macbook Pro, in my pocket an iPhone. And you know what I hate flash (as in working in the program).
    But Apple is crazy to think flash is not useful. It just isn’t about video, it is about interactive web programs! And 99% of people have it!!! That includes the retards using IE6. Uninstall it, see how your internet life is!
    Since iTunes (iPod, iPhone, iPAD related) has grown service to the pro users has dwindled. More than once the regular itunes update has broken my FCP Suite.

  • http://blog.streamingmedia.com/the_business_of_online_vi/2010/04/steve-jobs-blogs-on-why-he-hates-flash-but-cant-get-his-facts-straight.html#comments Marc of FL

    Mr. Rayburn, I am sorry that people are threatening you. Schools do a very, very poor job of educating people, which is why many, many people can not carry on an analytical conversation without getting nuts. Anyway, I write to say that I love Apple products and that I am very, very…(here it comes….) thankful that you spoke your mind on the subject. U make good points. I like that you are not trying to curry favor with Mr. Jobs or any other Apple lover, unlike most of the people that attend the Apple events. I’ll give u an example. At the event when Jobs showed the ipad, people were clapping for certain features that were being demonstrated even though what was being showed was nothing novel whatsoever.
    so, thanks again for taking a stand.

  • alsand

    Too much confusion about H.264 and Flash. Steve J.leads Apple well but makes a lot of $$$ from the cult he created and follows him blindly. Your article is NOT biased in any way , job well done…..The real problem is the bandwidth …look for a better codec that can compress HD video by order magnitude better than H.264 and we’ll be watching video everywhere including mobil with an improved Flash. Thx. alsand.

  • Tom Bradley

    These caustic responses are incredible.
    Some border on hysteria.
    I doubt the authors even know what blog they are reading.
    Flash is still critical to the business of video.
    Apple’s contrary stance on this is certainly worthy of comment.

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